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The Future of German Wiki

The German wiki is completely outdated and nobody has the time to update it. It also seems to get very little views (most German readers come to the English page?) Should it be removed like the other language wikis? - Lemoncake(talk) 19:52, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Would be very sad for all the past contributors but if it's hard to maintain then there's no other way. Btw, does "like the other language wikis" mean that there are plans to close other sub-wikis? - Lemurvladimir(talk) 00:26, 5 February 2018 (GMT+3)

No, it's refering to the other 20 languages we had, before reducing them to english chinese, russian, portoguese and german. There was arabic, english, czech, danish, german, greek, spanish, finnish, french, hungarian, italian, japanese, korean, dutch, norwegian, polish, portoguese, brazil-portoguese, romanian, russian, swedish, turkish, thai, vietnamese, simplified chinese and traditional chinese. All but english, russian, chinese (one of them), german and brazilian got removed, simply because no one really updated them and lack of traffic. German was kept only because we have some german mods.

I don't mind removing the german wiki. There is just no time for us to deal with it, and it's most likely not worth it (as you said, germans rather use the english wiki) ~~ Bu3ny ^(talk) 21:40, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

The Russian wiki gets plenty of views, nothing to worry about there. - Lemoncake(talk) 22:14, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

I'd shed a tear, but have no objections for a removal. Please let me know in advance if you send a request to Curse, because I'd like to snapshot the latest state. Molldust (talk) 21:56, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

I only share the opinion of closing that wiki. As long as there are neither enough contributors nor readers, it should consistently follow the treatment of the other languages which were removed. --Psion1C (talk) 20:42, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Okay, it's decided then. I'm gonna ask Curse to close the German wiki - Lemoncake(talk) 21:07, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Sm2 template

Currently when linking files through the sm2 tags, they show up in Special:UnusedFiles. What do you think about using a template instead of the raw sm2 tags that adds a hidden link behind the play button? This would mark the files as used and only slightly impact page load times (Abaddon/Responses loaded about .2 seconds slower with such a template).--Litzsch 16:01, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Are you sure? The response pages are already super slow to load for me... although it seems to be quicker when i'm not logged in - Lemoncake(talk) 16:11, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

I just tested it again and User:Litzsch/Sandbox1 takes 1858.967ms to load compared to Abaddon/Responses taking 1575.187ms. You can test it yourself by going to the page-source and searching for "NewPP". The values tend to change a bit each time but the difference doesn't seem to be too big. How is the performance of User:Litzsch/Sandbox1 for you? --Litzsch 16:21, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Abaddon/Responses loads quickly when I'm logged out, ~~but User:Litzsch/Sandbox1 is super slow (like 10s) whether I'm logged out or not.~~ Although this could just be me, let's see how it is for other people.

Edit: User:Litzsch/Sandbox1 seems to load pretty quickly on non-Chrome browsers, so maybe it's just me - Lemoncake(talk)

Hmm it also takes ages to load in Safari. Probably not a good idea then if some browsers have problems with it. I'll try asking the extension developer if something like that can be added to the extension itself.--Litzsch 17:04, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Question about making a personal page to utilize formatting

Hi! I can't login (my account is otherwise called Lenient) and if I could, I would. But it keeps asking me to merge with Twitch over and over and when I finally did, it still doesn't let me log in. Anyway, onto my question.

Would it be allowed if I made my own page for a hero concept I have? If so, is it possible to hide it from public view? I'm not super familiar with the functionalities. It would also be good if only I could edit it as well. Or does someone have a suggestion for another place I could visualize my concept with the wiki's formatting, perhaps some sort of offline, local script I could use myself? Thanks in advance. I don't know why this is at the bottom, I would be glad if someone could rectify. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 155.4.59.11 (talk) • (contribs) • Please sign your posts with ~~~~

You will have to log into an account or your edits will be blocked by the abuse filter. Otherwise, you can make a custom hero page at User:YourAccountName/Heroname - Lemoncake(talk) 00:53, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Data access for academic research?

I'm an assistant professor of Information Science at the University of Colorado Boulder. My research examines how wiki editors engage in "high tempo collaboration" and I'm interested in studying how player communities like this collaborate to document and distribute information after a new patch is released. I haven't been able to use the MediaWiki API to retrieve information about articles' revision histories. I wanted to know if it would be possible to enable or document how to get this API access, whether a database dump could be generated for research purposes, and/or if you collect any pageviews data. Feel free to contact me at brian [dot] keegan [at] colorado [dot] edu and I hope we can collaborate on this research! Madcoverboy (talk) 14:35, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

The API is available under https://dota2.gamepedia.com/api.php (You'd use https://dota2.gamepedia.com/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=Dota%202%20Wiki:Discussion&rvlimit=500 to get the history of this page). See here for more information. --Litzsch 14:46, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

TBH this may be the worst wiki ever to collect such information. Almost everything here is done by 5 or so regulars. - Lemoncake(talk) 02:37, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Extension:Thanks

What are your opinions on enabling Extension:Thanks? It might encourage some more contributions if we have an easy way to thank other (especially newer) editors, and show them that we appreciate their help around the wiki. --Litzsch 20:16, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Category for Dota 2 original heroes?

There are now three heroes that are original releases to Dota 2. Would it be helpful for organization to recognize them as such? MightyBotto (talk) 01:06, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree, some information about a hero's release could be useful information on the hero pages. Maybe we could add it to Template:Hero bio (and possibly set an automatic category)? --Litzsch 10:07, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

There is Heroes by release. --Psion1C (talk) 15:53, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Hover link preview

Hey is there any way we can implement the hover link preview feature wikipedia has? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gilgamalice (talk) • (contribs) 24 April 2018 • Please sign your posts with ~~~~

If you mean the popups provided by Extension:Popups, then I don't think it's possible (yet). It's a beta feature even on Wikipedia and is not one of the approved extensions for Gamepedia wikis. You could try requesting it on the admin noticeboard and they might add it if there's support from others. --Litzsch 07:45, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Extension:Popups is in Curse's queue to be vetted for security and compatibility. Should it pass we could activate it here on the wiki. I personally don't really see a need for it though. --Litzsch 15:51, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

The extension has been approved and we could enable it if there's still demand for it. What are your opinions on this (hover over links on w:Emu War to see what is does)? --Litzsch 17:01, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

It's good, but I donno how it would work on our wiki, on cosmetics and other such pages. Medok 17:33, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

The extension uses TextExtracts, so you can test what text would be shown using the api (e.g. https://dota2.gamepedia.com/api.php?action=query&prop=extracts&exintro=true&explaintext=true&titles=Bladeform_Legacy, https://dota2.gamepedia.com/api.php?action=query&prop=extracts&exintro=true&explaintext=true&titles=Wyvernguard_Edge, …). --Litzsch 18:22, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Is it lag? --Elite stay (talk) 09:05, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

I don't think Wikipedia would use it if it was very performance heavy, but I'm not sure. I'll try to find some information. --Litzsch 15:31, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

I can't find any information on performance in the documentation :( --Litzsch 16:02, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Question for a public view tab

Dear Gamepedia Team!

I am not good at editing and so far, I haven´t edited any side on Gamepedia. But I have an idea, which i just want to double check with you: On the International 2018 side, is it possible to create another tab for public viewing? Cause we are streaming the final of The International the fourth year in a row and people are always exited on this event. To inform more fans, it would be great if they just could look on Gamepedia which event they could attend, maybe categorized in countries. There is always a official side for this too, but its always late and not everyone knows about this. With Gamepedia, more fans could be reached. Whats your opinion on this?

Best regards — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 132.199.53.237 (talk) • (contribs) 15 June 2018 • Please sign your posts with ~~~~

If you (or someone else) are willing to compile and maintain it, we could add a page and help you with it imo. If you just want to publish information on your own event, you can always create an account and make a page in your userspace (e.g. User:someUserName/myEvent). --Litzsch 13:37, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Lua errors on some pages

https://dota2.gamepedia.com/Ancient_Apparition#Chilling_Touch and https://dota2.gamepedia.com/Buildings#Towers — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nvmd (talk) • (contribs) 9 July 2018 • Please sign your posts with ~~~~

Fixed by Bu3ny. --Litzsch 14:55, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Lua errors stil exist in some modules - for example Module:Show (for units) etc. Somebody, pls fix it.185.244.20.235

Fixed -- Sanhard (talk) 12:06, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

lua errors of summon units on hero pages

There're lua errors on some hero pages with summon units who have abilities themselves.

In detail, these errors involve Beastmaster, Brewmaster, Elder Titan, Lycan, Undying, Broodmother, Lone Druid, Invoker, Techies and Warlock. And seems that these errors have been there for quite a while. -Symmetrychaos (talk) 22:18, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

SoundManager2Button and audio on the web in 2018

I wrote the MediaWiki extension SoundManager2Button^[1] for this wiki in 2011, when audio on the web was hard. In 2018, audio on the web is easy. There is effectively universal support among browsers for <audio> elements^[2] and the MP3 file format^[3]. The extensive Flash fallbacks and functionality that SoundManager2 provides are simply no longer necessary. In addition, I've found that SoundManager2Button can be a bit finicky. For example, there was a time when it would sometimes fail depending on the order in which MediaWiki's ResourceLoader served resources. I wonder if the time has come to put SoundManager2Button out to pasture. As an example, I made a quick proof of concept^[4] for what audio on the web can look like in 2018. I've been thinking about wrapping this up in an extension and proposing it to replace SoundManager2Button. As for the tag… It would be a pain to rename all the <sm2> tags, but semantically weird if this hypothetical new extension used that abbreviation. I was thinking perhaps the tag name could be wiki-configurable via extension options, but I'm not sure if that's possible. I've also thought about adding a per-tag volume parameter, in which case rewriting the tags would be necessary anyway. (Dota 2 MP3 files are really loud.) I'd also really like to know how to solve the "unused files" problem^[5], but that might be beyond my ability. I'd also be happy to discover that somebody else has already made a better audio button extension. Suggestions? Opinions? Comments? —Kroocsiogsi (talk) 20:21, 14 October 2018 (UTC) Template:Reflist-talk

I don't know much about this, but all we'd have to do is change <sm2> to <audio>? And it would work better? Keep in mind we also have a lot of WAV files. - Lemoncake(talk) 21:31, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

You shouldn't just use <audio> elements directly, but they could be used by a new MediaWiki extension that uses a tag like <audiobutton>. I am surprised that Internet Explorer does not support WAV files in audio elements, but there may be a scalpel solution to that problem. (Edge supports WAV and MP3, IE supports MP3, IE also supports WAV files in bgaudio elements.) —Kroocsiogsi (talk) 03:44, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

We don't have many wav files here. I changed most of them to mp3 files, and aim to convert them all to mp3 sometime, so it's consistent. Wav files do cause some problems sometimes already (e.g. the button simply doesn't work, and it opens a download link when opening them in a new tab, insead of using the browser's player), while mp3 seems to always work. There are only 27 wav files currently (not counting my custom sounds, since they'll never be put on any page)~~ Bu3ny ^(talk) 07:02, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

It should be fairly simple to automate replacement of <sm2> into whatever new tag is used using AutoWikiBrowser. I was planning on using SoundManager2Button on the Artifact Wiki - so if we're looking at a replacement I'm going to hold off implementing it there. Also, would it possible to rehost your example on an alternate site? Your jsbin link flat out crashes my Chrome. Sanhard (talk) 22:05, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

CodePen mirror^[6] —Kroocsiogsi (talk) 03:44, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

That would indeed be a great improvement over sm2. I think <sound> might be a good tag to use? Maybe adding some kind of enableSm2Tags option, that enables sm2 tags would ease the transition and should be pretty easy to implement afaik. --Litzsch 18:58, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

I put up a first attempt on GitHub^[7]. It's not internationalized, lacks some error handling, and hasn't been tested on all browsers, especially on IE. Check it out here and feel free to play around with the Common.css, which overrides the default styles. —Kroocsiogsi (talk) 04:06, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Thoughts? --Kroocsiogsi (talk) 14:58, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Sounds good, but can you do the implementation? I'm not good with technical stuff :X Will make you an admin again if you want - Lemoncake(talk) 17:03, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Adminship won't help; only Curse can install an extension. If we get a few more thumbs up, then I can add a compatibility shim that makes it work with sm2 tags, Curse can install this and uninstall SoundManager2Button, an admin can add whatever CSS they decide looks good, and maybe Bu3ny can convert those last few wavs just for the benefit of IE users. First thing though is just to gather feedback and make sure it works for everyone, and see if it has the features people want to see. --Kroocsiogsi (talk) 22:35, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Once it's complete you would have to pass it along to Pcj to get the extension approved, actual implementation will be trivial, AWB can easily switch the tags out. Sanhard (talk) 11:36, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Made you admin so you can do stuff, msg Pcj or Game Widow when you're ready to install! - Lemoncake(talk) 17:17, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

SiegelZ (talk) 01:00, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

I made a git branch (sm2-compat) that preserves backwards-compatibility with the SoundManager2Button extension <sm2> tags, and I added some CSS to Universal.css. (It can be changed to taste.) I'll notify Pcj. —Kroocsiogsi (talk) 22:26, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, this looks good. The extension is under review. --Pcj 17:08, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Discrepancies in articles?

From article Boots of Travel 2:

Shares a cooldown with Town Portal Scroll.

And a few lines below:

Does not share cooldown with Town Portal Scroll icon.png Town Portal Scroll.

??? Is this article contradicting itself?

EDIT: I think I remember having found at least one other such discrepancy, but can't find it now :(

[1] ttps://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SoundManager2Button

[2] ttps://caniuse.com/#feat=audio

[3] ttps://caniuse.com/#feat=mp3

[4] ttps://jsbin.com/vegatih/1/edit?js,output

[5] ttps://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:U8f6wrc5ryzty0ac

[6] ttps://codepen.io/anon/pen/YJrgvy

[7] ttps://github.com/NilsEnevoldsen/AudioButton

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