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Plasma Field

I removed that note because it was pointless. You don't mention something like that because a lot other skills interrupt channeling abilities, even other instant cast-timed skills like Hex, Invoke, Death Pulse, Scream of Pain, etc. You mention something if it DOESN'T interrupt channeling abilities. Because going by this logic, might as well put on every ability, not just Plasma Field, that it interrupts channeling abilities. Arbok77 (talk) 15:44, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

It's not pointless... There are many spells with istant cast time which don't interrupt and many spell which do. It's about spells which have no targeting and instant cast time. So hex won't count. It's better to say that they don't, instead of making people guess if they do or don't. It's obvious that targeted spells interrupt, but not for instant casted non-targeted spells.Bu3ny (talk) 18:15, 19 October 2014 (UTC)



Thanks for makin' those sound sections! Lemoncake(talk) 17:39, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the cake :3 Bu3ny (talk) 19:01, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

a note to my edit battler

I'm the one that re-edited your edits to my edits.

Basically the reasons are as follows:

  • you are using e.g. and i.e. improperly (look here)
  • There is no reason to state that the mines are phased because the definition of phased is that the unit has no collision with units or heroes (this of course does not include buildings but that is inconsequential for mines and traps).
    • I dumbed it down to just say that they can be stacked in one spot without blocking unit pathing and is the essence of the point both of us were trying to get across but in far fewer words.
    • If you want to get fancy with knowledge, the only reason the mines have any collision is so they can be proximity triggered :D
  • regarding building dmg by mines and their armor, you should say something like "related to their basic armor" it should just be "dmg with their base armor" basic means base and it sounds bad.
    • also, the bold note that the damage values were pulled from the battle log needs to stay as people try to figure the whole "buildings have fortified armor" calculation into it and dota 2 doesnt have these types of armor, they just have physical, pure, and magic dmg with armor, magic resistance, ethereal, and magic immune for damage state calculations
  • the respawn note for Suicide Squad, Attack! was way too large with the superfluous examples (you were the one that cited reducing walls of text but put that crap back in?). I cut it down to just the calculation priority which is all anyone needs to figure it out, examples need not apply.
  • Huge pet peeve here: there's no reason to cite "based on current cd, duration, blah blah blah" the note is based on the current skill... I think people can figure out that if you state you can have 52 remote mines (also an entry for stasis trap) it is based on the current duration and cool down.
  • someone needs to test the "no effect" bit of extra stasis traps being destroyed within the AoE, some people say the extra mines stun, some say they are destroyed to no effect. I'll try to test this this afternoon.

thanks for the techies edit battle, hope this clears things up and we can work together on this entry

  • Let's stick with e.g., because that's what has been used here mainly and is more known.
  • You edited to "the mines have no collision", which is simply wrong information. That was my only problem with that. And no, your reasoning for why units have collision size is wrong. They could have 0 collision and still could be triggered without any problems. The reason most likely is that Valve was just lazy and didn't set it to 0 (DOTA_HULL_SIZE_SMALL (which translate to a collision size of 8) is the default entry of that field in the "template" they use,).
  • No, we generally don't do such stuff as "values taken from combat log" or anything like that. Instead, just add another note saying that their damage is only reduced by armor value, not armor type. And regarding that, the armor page most likely needs an updated, too, because they probably are still copy-pasted from playdota and rewritten a bit, without actually making sure it works the same way in Dota2. So for now, I just add the note that they ignore armor type.
  • Sometimes it's better to give an example, but if you can word it so that it's not required, fine.
  • I was the one who updated every heroes', item and neutrals notes. And I ensure you, everything is based on tests made by me. You probably don't know me, but I'm basically the one who "manages" the gameplay bugs and critical test client bugs section on the devs forum and I'm doing this since early beta. It might be possible that some notes don't apply anymore, because I updated all the notes before 6.83 was released. But the stasis traps remained unchanged in that patch, so that note should still be correct. So I'll remove the bolded part.
  • My english isn't perfect, so I don't really mind if you reword stuff, as long as you don't change the context. Bu3ny (talk) 13:33, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

just so you know, toss is disjointable and flak cannon is not an attack so would never proc craggy

oh and the tower dmg toss does is too variable to fit it all into a note... lvl 1 toss lvl 0 grow = 25 and lvl 4 toss lvl 3 grow = 178 dmg and the game doesnt take into consideration partial damage values, check the battle log

No, Toss CANNOT be disjointed, it DOES home but flies for a limited amount of time. By your logic Snowball is disjointable, too. They are not. and Flak Cannon DOES count as attacks. You don't know its mechanics, I do. It uses the same mechanics as Split Shot, which are also attacks. Bu3ny (talk) 15:08, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, Toss CAN be disjointed. Check this list: Projectile abilities that can be disjointed

It is much the same as Assassinate.

As far as Flak Cannon, I concede to your point. I was mentally confusing it with Rocket Barrage. Oh and I'd have to say you don't know the mechanics if you think Toss is not disjointable.

That list is wrong. It was blindly copied from DotA1 and never updated (I will update it soon, like how I updated many other things here which were just copypasted from DotA1). Assassinate is fully disjointable. The thing is, it provides true sight until the projectile hits. Slark and Smoke of Deceit can disjoint it with invis, because of true sight immunity. Also You can't compare it to Assassinate at all, because it does not home the target once disjointed. Toss does home the target for the 1.3 seconds. If the target gets further away, the speed the unit is flying with increases, capped at 3076,69, so it will only fly for up to 4000 range. You can see it here

Also, Toss aoe damage is fixed. The 20% and the grow extra damage are applied to the tossed enemy unit only, which you can see here (Youtube links get filtered as spam, so I can't directly link them) Bu3ny (talk) 16:04, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

I concede toss tower dmg and potentially the disjoint but will test this afternoon to ensure.


I concede that you were correct about most of the mechanics we have fought about today. However, you conducted yourself as a royal ass and need to work on how you "correct" others instead of starting fights as you did with me. Provide proof or a way to recreate the mechanic you think the other person is wrong about.

I have just finished recreating the disjointability of Tiny's toss. The skill is completely disjointable if a blink (Antimage and Blink Dagger both work) is performed at the right time. As such, I am going to update the skill entry on Tiny's page.

New Editors

Please be nicer to new editors. - Lemoncake(talk) 18:58, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Clarity cast range

So this is a bug?

QoP giving herself a clarity?...Bu3ny (talk) 20:16, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

I dont know how you are doing that, but the cast range is 100 for me and the ingame files confirm that Bu3ny (talk) 16:57, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Stone Gaze

You might wanna have a look at your wording again, looks really messy now.

Sometimes I forget how2engrish. Is it better now? Bu3ny (talk) 13:27, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Should be more legible now.

Changes being Reverted

Ah yes, thanks for specifying the "hidden" aspect that comes along with the invulnerability of those spells. You are right about it. You may have already tested them. As you said, I will re-test them later with the remaining invulnerability spells.

But I do not understand is why you reverted the other changes in the way the notes are organized/Rephrased? Do you have a problem with the way it was re-organized as well? If so, please mention the issue.

For consistancy with other ability notes. Bu3ny (talk) 16:53, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Consistancy? So you think grouping information together is a bad idea? (Such as information regarding items such as Euls Scepter.)

Venomancer notes

Hey! Thought you would be interested in checking out the notes in venomancer's passive Poison Sting ~ Damage Before reductions. (Even this value can be modified with veil, ancient seal, pugna decrepify etc)

Help on page

Hi. I see you are familiar with the mechanics of Dota. Please help expand the page I created on damage over time. Szqec (talk) 12:33, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

I would, but I have other things I want to finish first. And it is bad trying to edit the same page at the same time, as it will cause edit conflicts. Expand it as much as you can and I'll take a look at it later. Bu3ny (talk) 12:43, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Red numbers

Are red damage numbers before reductions or after? I think it's after. Szqec (talk) 06:15, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

They are before. You can easily check it yourself out ingame in a lobby. Pick jug, level his crit then create any enemy hero, level it up to 25, give it 6 assaults, then create a wisp and leave it at level 1 and give it 6 hearts and crit both. The red number will be the same for both, but the wisp takes 100% of your attack damage (a lvl 1 wisp has exactly 0 armor, so it is completely unreduced), while the other hero will take much much less due to high armor. I still have this pic showing it Bu3ny (talk) 09:21, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
But for abilities they seem to be after. Check this video out: Szqec (talk) 17:52, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
That there is not related to the red crit number. Look closer. The red crit number has a small lightning on the left side of the text. What you see in that video is simply a red text which only pops when you take a certain amount of damage (I think it was at least 10% of your hp as damage). It has a blood drop on the left side of the text.
Crit red text is always before every reductions. That damage received text (which can appear from any damage you take and is only visible to the player) shows what you actually took. Bu3ny (talk) 18:22, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Regarding item ID template in recommended items

I thought it would be a problem due to redundancy, though I later thought that due to the game's visual nature having as much visual information as necessary couldn't possibly be a bad thing. It's not overlinking, because they would be linked regardless of whether or not item ID was in there. The loading of 288 pixels worth of images is negligible compared to how slow Curse's servers are naturally (compare reloading the TF2 wiki's main page with this wiki's main page). If this sort of visual aid was on every other Wiki I go on, I would have saved tons of time by not having to open new articles in tabs.

I know from experience this won't go anywhere on a Wiki discussion due to the extremely slow nature of the mediation process, so can we please have a consensus now? --LoneScoot (talk) 16:39, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

I forgot that you said the pictures are right in the sidebar, which is fair. Though having to translate a horizontal picture layout to a vertical text layout is a chore in itself. You know why people don't like spreadsheets, right? It's because it's annoying to try to make sense of without visual aids like color-coding the columns. --LoneScoot (talk) 16:40, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
We don't use them because templates slow down load and edit times. That's why this wiki is so much slower than TF2 wiki - we use a ton of templates. - Lemoncake(talk) 17:16, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Is this then a seperate problem? We can't simply remove templates, seeing as they're too useful to give up. So why not make the most use out of them while they're still here, as I said before? --LoneScoot (talk) 18:05, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Because it lags. We can simply remove them, and we have. Loss of utility is minor. According to the Curse this is a technical limitation and the only solution is to not use too many templates. I plan on trimming all hero pages in the future anyway, will see about template usage after I make some space. - Lemoncake(talk) 18:54, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
How is a loss of utility ever minor? The definition of utility is that it's useful, and the more useful a page is the better the experience is for the reader. It takes two and a half seconds to load a page (which is on par with many other wikis), and a heck of a lot longer to read it. People expect there to be a delay when loading a webpage, because that's just how the Web works. Shaving an extra second off that is meaningless if we lose the practicality of the article somebody is trying to read, because why bother reading an article if it's not done to the highest possible quality?
Sorry for the text wall, though I think the loading issue isn't as large as you think. --LoneScoot (talk) 19:06, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
It's minor because people either know what the item is or they click on it. I'm more concerned with edit time, there's a threshold where too many templates makes the page time out whenever people try to make an edit and I don't want that to discourage people. You can still do the ones that are there now if you want, it just makes more sense for me to decide when I get to trimming the articles - Lemoncake(talk) 21:07, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
For what it's worth, editing a specific section is much faster than editing the whole page at once. I usually make all my big edits in an external notepad anyway.
I'll assume this means I can add in the Item ID templates, which I will given the chance. --LoneScoot (talk) 22:33, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

6.84 Quelling Blade

In the patch notes, it says it now only increases base damage. Does that include primary attribute damage? If it does, you probably want to change the attack damage page.

I'm not sure what that change exactly was. I'll look into it later. Bu3ny (talk) 14:02, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Base damage

Regarding my last post, you seem to have figured out that quelling blade increases base damage and attribute damage, but the patch notes says "base damage". Maybe we should establish the former be called "basic", basic + attribute = base? Szqec (talk) 17:26, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

There is no need to. Valve is quite inconsistant with their wording. I personally would call it base damage + attributes = main damage. Because base makes most sense for that. Also base and basic are kinda the same word. Bu3ny (talk) 19:54, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Still cannot edit "Attack damage" discussion page, so I will ask here: "hero attack damage" table isn't sortable - all 5 columns should be sortable. Is it possible? Second question/suggestion is about 4 tables with damage items for strength/agi/int/all heroes - I think it's better to rid of (or keep) last table and merge "raw damage items" into all 3 tables, It would be much more useful.
I think second and third rows in template should be changed from style "header" to common (may be with keeping color etc), then it should work.

Recommended Items block

Hello, Bu3ny. Can you please explain or just give me a link to "howto" about editting hero's "Recommended Items block" (not sections with explaining text, but items block itself) ? Or may be it is not allowed to edit this block to guests (not registered users) ? Thank you.

If you mean the box showing the recommended items, they are not to edit. They exclusively only show items recommended by Valve. However, if you want to add stuff about other viable items, you can put it into the Tips section instead. Bu3ny (talk) 15:43, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I was talking about items box, thank you. This is very unfortunate, because some hero's boxes are out of date... So usually I edit the Explanation section, not the Tips one. Thank you for answer.
One more question - Valve makes recommended items list for each hero, which is directly copied in this WIKI. But what with "Recommended heroes" section of item's page? It is not editable? For example, Leshrac has "Octarine Core" in "Situational items", but "Octarine Core" hasn't Leshrac in "Recommended heroes" list. Same with Zeus etc.
They should also be valve-recommended. I don't know how it works though, looks like it isn't updated yet.Bu3ny (talk) 22:52, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
If I'm not wrong, there are no "Valve-recommendations" for items. And even if there are some - it is completely illogical and meaningless having and using two opposite recommendations.

Cost efficiency reversions

I'd like to add cost efficiency formulas for various stats (armor, damage, etc.) You reverted my changes immediately... I'm guess I'm putting them in the wrong place or something? Feedback would be appreciated.

This has already been discussed and here. The conclusion was to not include them into this wiki Bu3ny (talk) 14:53, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll put further discussion there. --Pblur (talk) 15:45, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Regarding Spell Immunity

Despite the fact that spell immunity itself does NOT block damage, so far there has been no spell immunity source that doesn't grant 100% spell resistance. It is helpful to say that the damage will be blocked but the disable will not be, as there might be people who might think otherwise and expect spells like Fiend's Grip to damage a Spell Immune unit, but doesn't. Arbok77 (talk) 14:27, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

The thing is, there is literally not a single exception. People just have to learn "if it deals magical damage, it won't deal damage". That's all. There is no reason to say on every spell that magical damage is "blocked", because it simply applies to all magical damage. Bu3ny (talk) 16:26, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Historical Balance Changelogs

Hey, I just wanted to show my appreciation for all the work you've done with organizing and cataloging the old balance changes. I'm the guy who went through and added the initial version of them (down to patch 6.00 or so), so I know how time-consuming it must have been for you. I noticed that you were able to include changes from before 6.00, and there were a few changes I seem to have missed, so I was curious what resource you used to get that information. Thanks again! --Pie4all88 (talk) 11:45, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

All the informations I got are from the original dota maps. I have all maps post 6.00 and quite a few from pre 6.00. I also got a friend who "disected" some of the maps to get some infos you can't get from testing it ingame (like some ability functions or unit datas). I also got quite a lot from old changelogs, the same you also appear to have used. Bu3ny (talk) 13:12, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
Oh, nice; thanks! --Pie4all88 (talk) 15:10, 25 September 2015 (UTC)


Hi here is the guy who did some mess to the Break page. At first I wanted to leave the Template:SkillboxMinimal but the docs mention they are deprecated and should be replaced by the minimal ability wrapper. Could you give some more insight to that?

Another point is that there are many 2 column table layouts for long lists of abilities. If one ability gets added or removed, the whole seperators |- have to be adjusted and that's additional effort. column-count splits a list in two columns, but fills vertically instead of horizontally. May be worth experimenting.

   <div style="-webkit-column-count: 2; -moz-column-count: 2; column-count: 2">
{{Ability wrapper|Arcane Boots#Replenish Mana|minimal|image=Arcane Boots}}
{{Ability wrapper|Buckler#Armor Bonus|minimal|image=Buckler}}

Finally the ability wrapper minimal has slight room for improvement:

  • Cast Time is shown by default, but everything else is not. Should show nothing.
  • The clicked url color (grey) is barely visible on the green item background.
  • Item icons are not recognized automatically. If the ability itself has no icon, it should fall back to the item icon. 00:15, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Ability wrapper has a few flaws still, you already listed 3. As long as they don't get fixed, it should not replace the skillboxminimal template. They also have too many unnecessary details for the mechanics pages. You don't need hotkeys, sounds, purgeability, spell immunity interaction, etc on it when you want to list something in any of the mechanics pages. It also lacks a "notes". Also, that template was ment for the hero pages in different languages. Just stick to skillboxminimal, as it was made for listing spells/items in mechanics pages. It does a way better job in that. Another big minus on wrapper is, it takes much longer to load. The more of them you put in a page, the harder it will get to edit due to time-outs.
As for 2 column tables, they simply look much better and take less room than the one you used. It would be better to make it use only 2 columns max by default by changing something in the templates. That should be doable. Bu3ny (talk) 00:29, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Hey there, I got a pretty neat "table" layout that needs alot less maintenance. It bugged me so much to adapt the tables once you add/remove one entry. Proof on concept can be seen at User:Molldust/Sandbox/ResponsiveTables, but you need to edit your private css (see User:Molldust/common.css).
The actual implementation is on Template:SkillListHead, Template:SkillListLite and Template:SkillListTail
You even could completely replace Template:SkillTable and Template:SkillTableLite with it and fix the pages with some effort. Molldust (talk) 16:57, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
I edited the previous entry to reflect the latest progression. If User:Molldust/common.css was added to Mediawiki:Common.css, I could start porting there pages: Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:SkillTableLite. Molldust (talk) 19:53, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
The only effective different I see there is you made it display 1 ability per line, which also be done with current table. It still makes the pages unnecessarily long. Keep it at 2 abilities/items per line. Bu3ny (talk) 20:08, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
You have to enable the css from User:Molldust/common.css. It really looks the same as before, but you have a smaller HTML footprint (= less bytes per page) and no need resort the table once you add/remove entries. Molldust (talk) 20:13, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
I added the css to Mediawiki:common.css. —LingoSalad (talk) 23:34, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
Looking good, nice work. Give a notification when you are done replacing the old template. Bu3ny (talk) 16:54, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
Done, SkillTableLite is not used anymore. Molldust (talk) 13:37, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Moved the discussion to Dota_2_Wiki:Discussion#Skillbox_Minimal Molldust (talk) 09:12, 24 December 2015 (UTC)


If you have to do many minor changes, which can be done by usual replace, just ask me for this, and MedokBOT try done this without spamming into recent changes. Medok 19:43, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I will next time. But now I'm going through the descriptions to update it in the wiki and to search for typos in the offical descriptions. Can your bot update descriptions? Bu3ny (talk) 20:09, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

He can't update them automatically, using just AWB... Medok 20:17, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Attribute stealing abilities

Regarding my edit on Outworld Devourer, first of all, I know the difference between base and bonus stats/attributes (white and green numbers). Secondly, to test stuff for my edits on this wiki, I always simply use the Dota 2 client and create a lobby. So if there are any UI bugs, I cannot really do anthing about that (like the edit I made on Dust of Appearance). To cut a long story short, I have tested OD's Astral Imprisonment, and I was able to reduce a hero's int to 1 (both base and bonus int, not only the green number). Psion1C (talk) 16:33, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

You are misunderstanding. Silencer's int steal directly reduces the base int. It is not displayed as a reduction like all the other sources of stats reduction. The others give you "negative bonus stats". They don't affect your base stats value. And just like how stats bonuses can bring your stats above the base stats, negative ones can bring you below it. Just imagine it like a formula. Let's say your hero has 20 base int. Get a staff of wizardry and you have 20 + 10 int. Now get hit by a level 4 astral and you have 20 + 10 + (-13). Astral is treated like the bonus int of staff of wizardry. Besides that, it is quite obvious that they don't only negate bonus stats. They would be really bad if they couldn't bring stats of heroes below their base stats. Just saying that it's capped at 1 is enough.
Also don't take it offensively. I just correct them and tell why you got wrong results. The summary part for edits is quite limited, so I have to keep it short. Bu3ny (talk) 16:54, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
No Problem, I'm not taking your corrections personally, rather, I appretiate constructive feedback and if my edits are wrong, for whatever reason, it's only good if they are corrected. (; Psion1C (talk) 18:06, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
And btw, the error in reasoning during my research was that I completely overlooked the fact it's obvious that stat stealing includes the ability of stealing all stats (base + bonus) and only Silencer's Intelligence Steal needs extra mentioning here. Psion1C (talk) 18:15, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

New responses

In last update Valve add russian responses, there no heroes subtitles, but have announcer .dat file. Can you please tell me how get subtitles? Then I'll add them into russian responses page after play button. Medok 10:08, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

GCFScape shows me 3 subtitle files. subtitles_announcer_killing_spree_russian.dat, subtitles_announcer_russian.dat and subtitles_tutorial_russian.dat. Those should be it. There seems to be no subtitles for the heroes yet. If you have GCFScape, you can just ctrl+f search for "russian" in the vpk and they should show up. Also, all subtitle files are a complete mess since Reborn. You can just save them as TXT, but you have to find out which line ends where and which response does it belong to. Bu3ny (talk) 11:10, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
When I read file in TXT, there "3� ( ґ˜”{ L ?Пµ/ L � " only, decoding don't help. Medok 11:19, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
I see.. I don't know. Maybe the subtitles aren't in yet? I have no support for cryillic letters on my pc, I can't see them in txt files, so I can't tell. Bu3ny (talk) 11:36, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
They displaying in-game, as must be. So they complete yet. Ah, bad( Medok 11:43, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Game Settings

You say that will update game settings article, and if I wanna translate it need wait for you. How soon you can do that? Medok 17:07, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

I wanted to wait a bit because Valve keeps changing some stuff still. But I can do it today/tomorrow. Bu3ny (talk) 18:01, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
See, they added something new again. And I'm sure more things will come when they update the ingame HUD. Bu3ny (talk) 14:14, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

About voice actors

Hi, I see u re workin with voicing articles, so mb u know where we can find Dota voicers names? I want to complete list with all English, Russian, Korean and Chinese voice actors --Dark2Eagle (talk) 18:37, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

The english ones are already here and mentioned on all the responses pages. No idea about the other languages. Bu3ny (talk) 19:21, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Earthshaker Echo Slam

The edit you reversed on Earthshaker pertains to DoTA 2 mechanics, being ethereal should amplify the damage of Echo Slam if it is magic damage, however it does not. The citation to DoTA 1 mechanics is simply an explanation of why this specific ability acts in a strange way. --DizzySkin (talk) 15:49, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Nevermind, seems this inconsistency was fixed at some point, just retested it and it seems that the damage is being amplified now. --DizzySkin (talk) 16:14, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Look into the balance changelog or update history. It was changed quite a long time ago. Bu3ny (talk) 16:30, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Lesser Maim Descriptions

Hey, I was wondering my changes on the Heaven's Halberd and Sange pages were reverted. I changed the descriptions of Lesser Maim on these pages to match the in-game description. I feel like if that's unwanted for the HH and Sange pages, then that should be changed for the Silver Edge page as well (the SE page already matches the in-game description). It should be consistent across the wiki. --RbwNjaFurret (talk) 04:52, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

The 0 showing ingame is a bug. No need to copy them into the wiki. Bu3ny (talk) 08:56, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Huh, I wasn't aware of that. -RbwNjaFurret (talk) 19:21, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Hero counters

Could you check Template:Counters again? If it's good like that I gonna fix the hero pages. Molldust (talk) 20:34, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

I still don't see a reason to change it, but that works I guess. Bu3ny (talk) 21:05, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
It goes very well with the recommended item and ability sections. Full width templates are mainly used for galleries or navigations so far. Molldust (talk) 21:24, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

About [[blablabla#anchor]]

Do I need to change the # anchor when I'm translating? Or just add /zh-hans before the #. Elite stay (talk) 15:56, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Nope, you don't. Anchors should work fully without translation or adding /zh-hans. ~~ Bu3ny (talk) 16:46, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Voice Responses

Have you done with all English voice responses? (and add me in steam) --Dark2Eagle (talk) 16:02, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes, finished them like a week ago. ~~ Bu3ny (talk) 16:52, 23 December 2015 (UTC)


How to submit a full list of it? It shows error code:500 when I submit. :( Elite stay (talk) 03:05, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

It is a huge list, so it may take multiple attempts. That's why it's on a separate page, and not directly on the dispel article, because it causes time-outs. ~~ Bu3ny (talk) 13:04, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

How to translate the sidebar on the left?

Which containing "Main page", "Heroes", "Items", "Store", etc. Elite stay (talk) 10:27, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

You don't. It can't be translated. ~~ Bu3ny (talk) 12:26, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Lotus Orb

Nether Strike does not channels the reflecting hero's tp. Others like Phantom Strike also channels Warlock's Upheaval but not channels tp. Why? Elite stay (talk) 14:23, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

It always cancels the target's channeling spells. Phantom Strike, Blink Strike and Reality Rift do not force an attack for reflecting channeling heroes, but Nether Strike does for them to attack and thus cancel whatever they channel. ~~ Bu3ny (talk) 14:50, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
Or actually.. seems like it either changed or Reborn broke it. Looks like all blink strike-like spells cancel channelings again. ~~ Bu3ny (talk) 14:55, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
About necro: I tested one time and I think it's related to the hero created order but not the player slot order. Can you test a lot more? And figure out whether respawn change the order or not. It's too late, so I have to go to sleep. Hope it helpful. Good luck. Elite stay (talk) 17:05, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Orb of Venom as UAM icon

So the OoV is no longer UAM (get it on antimage and wreck lane), but it's still used as icon for all UAMs. Time to change it to deso? --DymCx (talk) 18:35, 22 January 2016 (UTC)


I can't open any page with Firefox suddenly last night. is ok. IE is ok. Elite stay (talk) 09:59, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Works for me. Maybe it was some temporary error. ~~ Bu3ny (talk) 12:27, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
I'm ok now once I clear cookies. Great! Elite stay (talk) 23:20, 25 January 2016 (UTC)


A few weeks ago, we were discussing changing {{SkillListLite}} and {{SkillListRich}} to use a single |type parameter. However, that discussion stalled out a little. I have versions of SLL and SLR in sandbox pages, however I would not be able to apply these changes myself without spamming the hell out of Recent Changes. You originally said a Bot could [and should really] be used if we were going to make these changes; I have a bot that could be used (User:AutoPaladinOne), but I'm not going to pull the trigger on anything until you (or another admin) explicitly says I can (and labels that account as a Bot so that it could make changes without spamming RC), or chooses to do it theirself.

My rollout plan should it happen (v1):

  • Move the sandbox pages to {{SkillListLite/new}} and {{SkillListRich/new}}
  • Use a bot to search all pages that use SLL/SLR, find all cases of the type parameters (|ultimate, |item, etc.), replace the parameter with the new |type parameter, and change the template to link to the /new page
  • Once all replacements are complete, copy the /new pages into SkillListLite and SkillListRich, and change the /new pages to Redirects
  • iterate through all links to /new and change them back to the original

This plan would ensure that all pages would still load correctly, however it would result in a bunch of odd looking template calls for a little while.

Rollout plan v2:

  • Copy the |type logic in to SkillListLite / SkillListRich (without deleting the current parameter logic)
  • Use a bot to search all pages and replace parameter
  • Once all replacements are complete, delete extra parameters from SLL/SLR

This plan would probably be better as it would allow the old template calls to still work alongside the new ones, until we actually deprecate the older parameters.

PaladinAHOne (talk) 17:53, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

No matter what happens, the documentation pages for both templates need a rewrite; neither of them really explains well how the templates are supposed to be called. PaladinAHOne (talk) 17:58, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
I would just make the edits to the current templates, then replace the parameters with the bot. Seems a lot easier that way, unless it takes a really long time. Don't worry about spamming the RC log, we do it all the time. However, you should probably involve User:Molldust in this, he was the one who made the templates. - Lemoncake(talk) 18:10, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Wow username mention notifications, wish we had that back at wikia. I'd say directly edit the SkillListLite / SkillListRich and clean up afterwards. The item/npc/ultimate only influences the color (and gold cost which I wouldn't miss either). Molldust (talk) 20:27, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Well, we'd need a Bot-flagged account to edit all the pages without causing an enormous number of minor edits in Recent Changes. So it's your call whether you want to use one of your bots, flag AutoPaladinOne as a bot, or have it log 70 or so minor edits. I can start any time, just tell me which of the three cases you want. PaladinAHOne (talk) 06:30, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
Under authorization from Lemoncream, AutoPaladinOne has declared war on types and Recent Changes. The conversion has been completed, and the documentation pages have been updated. PaladinAHOne (talk) 09:48, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
Loooooots of zh-hans page are not transform successfully. Elite stay (talk) 14:26, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
Ah I see what happened, I made a mistake and didn't iterate through the translated pages. Silly me. Give it a minute and it'll be fixed. PaladinAHOne (talk) 21:47, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Team Bracket Problem

Can you help us to do MarsTV Dota 2 League Winter 2015's team bracket? Thanks..--Dotalim0204 (talk) 14:06, 30 January 2016 (UTC)


Silencer's information is outdated. Should I delete? --Elite stay (talk) 17:27, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

About collider size and aura or something AoE else

How to judge the hero into the area? Does it need to calculate collider? When collider touchs the area or just the origin point does? What I'm concern about is how long it does take when straight cross the Ice Wall (I think minimum when cross between segments, maximum when cross through segments)? --Elite stay (talk) 16:46, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Ability aoes are always considering collision sizes. So a 24 collision size hero is affected by a spell when its center is spell radius + 24 distance away from the aoe center. ~~ Bu3ny (talk) 16:49, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

How to report bug?

I played a bot game and there is a bug. I used Dazzle and there is CM in enemy team. Sometimes I got the Arcane Aura buff icon and the mana regen number is increase by the aura. But I don't know whether I got buff or not. The match ID is 2162745716. Can you help me to report it? --Elite stay (talk) 14:35, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Post them here, if they are gameplay bugs. Or in here if you aren't shure if it's a bug. ~~ Bu3ny (talk) 19:08, 19 February 2016 (UTC)


for {{Cosmetic Item infobox wrapper}}. --Elite stay (talk) 09:57, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Cast time confusing

I made a transformation mistake about cast time, but that's what make me confusing. The question is when to use cast time to mean the whole cast time and when to use it to mean only the cast foreswing/cast point. Because the Cast animation said that foreswing part is called cast point or cast time, but the {{Ability}} said that the cast time is including cast point and cast backswing. --Elite stay (talk) 13:12, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Cast time is commonly used as a synonym for cast point, so cast animation should be used when refering to both. I changed the wording in the ability template. ~~ Bu3ny (talk) 14:31, 10 April 2016 (UTC)


After spring cleaning, the algorithm of assist is changed. I tested some buffs before and some like aura will not get the assist. Obviously there should be an exception list. Can you list it? --Elite stay (talk) 06:56, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

SMW properties on non-en pages

Hey there. I knew this might turn in an issue someday. I take Gold/zh-hans as example:

There are two ways of displaying the SMW query:

{{#ask: [[Category:Items]] [[Item cost::>0]]
|?Item cost#=价格

{{#ask: [[Item cost::>0]] |?Item cost#=价格 |mainlabel=物品 |limit=5 }}


  • Does link to the item pages
  • Can filter by item cost


  • Does link to the english pages instead of zh-hans pages
  • Titles are in english and not translated
{{#ask: [[Category:Items/zh-hans]] [[Item cost::>0]]
|?Item cost#=价格


  • Would link to the proper zh-hans pages
  • Titles would be displayed in chinese
  • Wrappers could be wrapped themselves. Wrapperception.


  • Requires all non-en pages to include semantic properties on the respective pages. No performance impact, but causes many duplicates in the database (storage wise). Once per language.

Opinions and onions? Molldust (talk)

I'd say use templates instead. Seems to work fine for e.g. Armor ~~ Bu3ny (talk) 12:56, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Mass delete request

There are two areas that have been totally replaced/reworked and cover a "couple" of pages. They can be mass-deleted without replacement:

1) Template:Dictionary/defindex and all subpages probably via Special:Nuke with a Template:Dictionary/defindex% pattern (untested!)

2) All expanded and non-en equipment templates that follow the format Template:Equipment Hero/expanded, Template:Equipment Hero/non-en and Template:Equipment Hero/expanded/non-en. The only ones to remain are Template:Equipment Hero. I fear this needs to be made manually.

Molldust (talk) 06:59, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

The pattern for the 2nd case could be Template:Equipment%/% (untested!). Not sure if the slash requires special handling. % is the wildcard character btw. Molldust (talk) 07:03, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
It says "There are no new pages in recent changes." when trying to mass delete the defindex things. ~~ Bu3ny (talk) 11:30, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
Aww, Nuke only works for pages created in the last 30 days :( Unfortunately mw:Extension:DeleteBatch is not installed either. PyWikiBot has insufficient rights unless it's an admin account. User:Robjackson must have set up the WindBOT for the defindex pages, because User:WindPower is not registered here. WindBOT feels like some kind of SkyNet associate. Molldust (talk) 12:27, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Update, Template:Dictionary/cosmetic items incl. subpages can be deleted as well. Burn it with fire, to be safe. Molldust (talk) 13:20, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Weaver Swarm damage block

Hey, I played yesterday both as Weaver and versus Weaver and when wielding a Poor Man's Shield all damage from The Swarm was blocked, which is why I said the beetle damage is in fact blocked by damage block. Also, sorry for changing the description on Weaver skills. I was not aware they're an exact copy of the in-game descriptions. My bad!

Yes, it's blocked by damage block, that was a small error in the notes, but all others are correct. I added a new note regarding damage block. Don't remove/add/edit stuff if you aren't sure about them. First make sure what you are editing is right before doing it. ~~ Bu3ny (talk) 12:04, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
Okay thanks for letting me know! Dreiga (talk) 12:09, 17 May 2016 (UTC)Dreiga

Reverting my changes

I though this dota 2 wiki was looking for new editors, but quite often i get kicked in the nuts by you reverting my changes it relay demotivates me to make new changes, whats the point of a wiki if there is no freedom on speach

certainly incorrect information should be deleted of changed, but most of time you revert things becuase they arent inline with how you invisioned it The preceding unsigned comment was added by Elunedra (talk) • (contribs) • Please sign your posts with ~~~~

Could you give some examples ~~ Bu3ny (talk) 14:48, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
I didn't check all of your edits, but here are a few tips to avoid getting trolled by Bu3ny's spam filter:
  • Calculate the benefit of your content. Spell damage amplification applies to every spell and with varying values, so it's impossible (and unnecessary) to list them all.
  • Care more about spelling and punctuation. It shows how much effort you put into your edits.
  • Use the preview before pressing submit. It catches most of the errors before everybody can see your trail of tears in the history. I'm guilty of that myself sometimes.
  • Don't take reverts personally. It doesn't mean it's shit per se, but it's more effort to fix than to revert. Take it as a challenge to improve.
  • Use your signature on talk pages with four tildes (~~~~) Molldust (talk) 16:41, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Since we also state how much hp/sec your get from a strength item and how much mana/sec you get from an int item it seemed logical to add the spell dmg amp, when i did that i realised dagon actually did more damage, but it wasnt as big of a damage amp as i first though
I often avoid the preview since i think its a small simpel change, and the wiki is realy slow on edits. but yes i verry often find small errors afterwards or that it just doesnt display the way i want it
Maybr i do take it to personal but its like you put work into it and then some mod does not agree and its gone, oh well i hope it will go better in the future Elunedra (talk) 07:17, 23 May 2016 (UTC)


Add these zh-hans please. --Elite stay (talk) 06:16, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Dispellable with any dispel. -- 会被任何驱散所驱散
  • Undispellable. -- 不会被驱散
  • Modifiers -- 特效
Done. ~~ Bu3ny (talk) 13:07, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

About Modifiers

I translated a lot of Modfiers in Ability before. I suddenly realized that we shouldn't translate the name of Modfiers. The reason is same as why we shouldn't translate "int" into "整型"(C/C++). It's a code! But if we don't translate it, who don't know English will be confused about it. So I can't balance between these two requirements. Can you help me to think about it, keep translating or leave it? So far, I translated it into its Display Name, and Dotalim0204 just translated like normal text. If you suggest we leave it, I recommand you to remove the key in the ability wrapper. --Elite stay (talk) 08:45, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

I don't know how to do them either. Using the internal names isn't always good, since many of them are weird or use old names. ~~ Bu3ny (talk) 14:07, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Ok, we'll keep doing what we did before. --Elite stay (talk) 14:14, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
I have already suggested using the names from the in-game combat log, cause they seem to make more sense than the names from the game code and/or use own names which are best fitting to explain the purpose of the modifier. I'm saying this, because I'm very sure this is a better solution than the current implementation. --Psion1C (talk) 16:17, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Problem with that: Many modifiers are not displayed in the HUD/combat log. So for them, we have to use the internal names anyway. Besides that, some of which are displayed in the log/hud use the intern name as well (e.g. laguna blade and finger of death display modifier_lion_laguna_blade/finger_of_death on the icon/in the log). So if we'd use the displayed name, then many modifiers would have no official name and some of them would have the internal name anyway (see laguna/finger example). ~~ Bu3ny (talk) 16:31, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
I don't like getting misunderstood (seems to be happening way too often, not only by you). As written, in those cases, I mean to use own names which are best fitting for the purpose of the modifier (e.g. change SF's "Requiem Invis Break" to something actually making sense). PS: I'm not meaning to offend you. --Psion1C (talk) 17:51, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Buny is right. Another reason is many modifiers use the same display name. When you check zh-hans page with my translation, you will realize it is too hard to deal with. --Elite stay (talk) 01:15, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

blade mail

(using mobile)my friend tested that blade mail no longer reflex culling blade. do you know why? --Elite stay (talk) 16:13, 13 July 2016 (UTC) Elite stay (talk) 16:13, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

his test result is bloodseeker die, but lifestealer dont die. i think you know what trick im talking about. --Elite stay (talk) 16:24, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Yep, looks like Cull+Blade Mail interaction is now consistant with other hp-removal stuff. ~~ Bu3ny (talk) 18:31, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Also, the bloodseeker interaction has nothing to do with Culling Blade. The bug lies in Bloodrage (and Flesh Golem). If you take lethal damage, and reflect that damage so that it kills the enemy, then you will survive the lethal damage. You can test it with any damage which gets reflected blade mail (or with Bloodrage on Nyx and use his spikes). ~~ Bu3ny (talk) 18:34, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
If it is true, why lifestealer doesn't die while cast his Open Wound to Axe? According to Combat Log, he heal 1hp after taking damage. --Elite stay (talk) 00:40, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Even when Axe is very healthy. --Elite stay (talk) 00:42, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Looks like Blade Mail does react on Culling Blade, but it causes just a 0 damage instance. No idea why the 0 damage instance causes Open Wounds to heal.
But don't add it to the notes. It's too niche and it's a bug, so no need to add it. ~~ Bu3ny (talk) 11:36, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
It seems blade mail no longer ignore blade fury. --Elite stay (talk) 12:07, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Use of Dublado/Doblado in PT/ES translations

In my opinion, "Doblado/Dublado" isn't the correct translation, because the responses are not dubbed to those languages. In my opinion a better translation is "Voz por" that translates to "Voice by".

Also, how can I translate the Infobox text to spanish? There's a lot of untranslated text. (e.g: Abaddon/es) Thanks! --ImAtZulu (talk) 17:00, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

I don't speak spanish or portoguese, I just took existing translations of the templates and put them on all of them. Change them if they are wrong. ~~ Bu3ny (talk) 19:38, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
As for the infoboxes, the templates are
But you cannot edit them, they are protected. You can put the translations into the talk pages and a mod then puts them into the template. Just view the source of the template and look through it.
~~ Bu3ny (talk) 19:38, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Template:Ability with missing Turkish translations added

Template:Item infobox with missing Turkish translations added

I don't know if it's the right place to post it

post them on the talk pages of the templates next time. ~~ Bu3ny (talk) 15:09, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
Oh, and make also sure that you keep the translation thingies in alphabetic order. Don't just put tr at the end. Usually, it's after th. If th isn't there, after ru. Ru should be almost always there. ~~ Bu3ny (talk) 15:15, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
Got it.--MrSchipunov (talk) 18:29, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Stole from your user page

Hope you don't mind :3

--MrSchipunov (talk) 18:36, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Translation of Sidebar

"Heroes, Items, Mechanics, Creeps" etc. How to I translate them? --MrSchipunov (talk) 23:03, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

It's a bit difficult. This is the page. Some can be translated there, but some cannot. I do not know how to translate the rest yet, have to figure it out.
Obviously, only admins can edit it, so use the talk page. ~~ Bu3ny (talk) 00:01, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Abilities that increase current hp but not healing

I suggest adding the list of these abilities on Health. Also there're some interaction between this type of abilities, like Oracle, AA, or Lifestealer. --~~

They already are in there. Decay, Whirling Death, Essence Shift, Sunder and Time Lapse for example are technically not heal and are all listed. ~~ Bu3ny (talk) 23:49, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
But they are in "Healing abilities" list. :/ --Elite stay (talk) 23:54, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Caught by filter

I wrote a full rework of Techies/Counters which is imo very bad right now but the spam filter caught it as harmful. I have a pastebin link of the page code if you wanna see it but it won't let me post it here. What am I to do? --B3jn (talk) 12:40, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Post it on my Steam Profile comments and I'll put it up for you. - Lemoncake(talk) 16:08, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Posted, thanks. --B3jn (talk) 17:05, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Done. Thanks for your contributions! - Lemoncake(talk) 17:42, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Editing my changes

No, this is not me complaining that you're changing everything I do, actually thank you for correcting my errors. I had forgotten that the oxford comma wasn't used in american English so thanks for that as well, I look forward to continuing working with you on this wiki!TOTORO01 (talk) 11:36, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Lane creeps - Backdoor paragraph

Thanks for the copyedit. I agree that the lead should be a short summary, which is why I tidied it up in the first place. On the other hand I wasn't sure why the Backdoor comment was there or where it could fit at the time. I agree that it isn't necessary in the lead and now moved that paragraph down to the Behaviour section. Techhead7890 (talk) 14:31, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

I removed some parts of it because they partially were not correct and are too much going into strategy again. It doesn't matter what the lane creep does, its presence is what disables the backdoor protection. It doesn't have to attack towers to disable the protection. If readers want to know more about backdoor protection, they can follow the link. This article is about the creeps.
You can rewrite Creep control techniques to be generally about lane creep strategies, tricks and tips, and put the backdoor stuff there. It could make use of a clean-up and expansion. ~~ Bu3ny (talk) 14:52, 11 March 2017 (UTC)