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Bad against...[edit]
- Abaddon can activate Borrowed Time to dispel Dismember; breaking the disable and potentially allowing Abaddon to escape.
- Aphotic Shield can be cast on an ally to dispel the stun of Dismember, which can make kills difficult to secure, given that Dismember is Pudge's only reliable disable.
- If Meat Hook is used before Blink, Anti-Mage may be able to escape Pudge's grasp by blinking safety.
- Counterspell grants Anti-Mage a large degree of magic resistance, a damage type Pudge is highly reliant on to secure kills. This make Anti-Mage a bad target for Pudge.
- Mana Break can quickly drains Pudge's low supply of mana, which may render Meat Hook & Dismember unusable and making him to kill with Mana Void.
- Pudge is particularly susceptible to Bristleback's Viscous Nasal Goo and Quill Spray due to his naturally low armor & poor agility gain.
- Bristleback, in combination with his strength gain, high health, common itemization for magic resistance and damage reduction from Bristleback make him a poor target for Pudge.
- Track can easily keep vision on Pudge, making impossible to catch up with his Meat Hook for Bounty Hunter's teammates or him.
- It's very difficult for Pudge to rot and hook Bounty Hunter, because of his movement speed thanks to Shadow Walk.
- Shuriken Toss cancels out Dismember from a good range.
- Shallow Grave used to save ally during Dismember and Rot.
- A combination of Bad Juju comes from ( Poison Touch and Shadow Wave) and his items like ( Desolator or Solar Crest) can remove Pudge's little armor.
- Doom disables the toggling of Rot and, if cast at the right time, may leave Pudge with a potentially lethal health drain.
- Doom's naturally high health, strength gain and damage output make him a poor target for Pudge.
- The damage of Doom's Infernal Blade scales with the target's maximum health, which is particularly effective against Pudge due to his naturally high health and further health granted by stacks of Flesh Heap.
- Legion commander can use Press the Attack on an ally to dispel the disable of Dismember. The bonus health regeneration also partially counters the damage of Rot
- Duel can be used on Pudge whilst Rot is active; disabling toggling which may result in a lethal health drain that leaves Legion Commander with a successful duel.
- The damage of Feast scales accordingly to the health of its target, which is effective against Pudge due to his high health and further health granted by stacks of Flesh Heap.
- Lifestealer can activate Rage to completely negate magic damage, therefore rendering the damage of Rot and Dismember null.
- Pudge's plentiful health makes him an ideal target for Open Wounds.
- If Meat Hook is used before Leaping, Mirana may be able to escape Pudge's grasp by leaping safety.
- During invisibility from Moonlight Shadow that gives a degree of mobility, which can make Mirana teamates or him a difficult target to hook and it also scouts out and surprising his location.
- Sacred Arrow used to cancel Dismember within a distance.
- Tree Dance has low cooldown and allows to jumps on tree quickly making Pudge difficult to hook.
- Because of his low attack speed and poor agility, Monkey King can stack up quickly by Jingu Mastery.
- Boundless Strike interrupts Pudge's Dismember from a long range.
- Night Stalker can easily find Pudge's location during Dark Ascension.
- Void's mini-stun and silence from Crippling Fear at night will stop Dismember, Meat Hook and Rot and preventing Pudge from fighting back.
- Night Stalker has naturally high health, strength gain and common itemization for survivability through magic resistance make Night Stalker a poor target.
- Mana Burn completely drains Pudge's little mana which may render Meat Hook & Dismember unusable.
- Impale and Spiked Carapace used to cancel Dismember if timed perfectly.
- Vendetta grants Nyx Assassin invisibility and a high degree of mobility for a long time, which can make Nyx a difficult target to hook, also scouts out of his location and surprising with his attack, Impale and Mana Burn.
- Arcane Orb and Sanity's Eclipse quickly drains Pudge's limited mana pool, making him unable to use Meat Hook or Dismember and also bypasses Fleash Heap.
- Outworld Devourer can save allies or himself caught by Dismember or Meat Hook with Astral Imprisonment.
- Corrosive Haze lowers armor and reveals Pudge's location, making impossible to catch up with his Meat Hook for Slardar's teammates or him.
- Slithereen Crush interrupts Pudge during Dismember at closed range.
- Guardian Sprint allows to dodge Meat Hook from a maximum movement speed.
- Dark Pact dispel Dismember if timed perfectly.
- Pudge's low attack speed and poor agility can stack up quickly by Essence Shift.
- Shadow Dance grants Slark invisibility and a high degree of mobility, which can make Slark a difficult target to hook and also protects Pudge's Dismember (allies from upgraded Aghanim's Scepter).
- Gush reduces Pudge's armor which he already lacks.
- Kraken Shell can dispel Dismember after reaching a certain threshold of damage.
- Tidehunter's naturally high health, strength gain, and common itemization for survivability through magic resistance make Tidehunter a poor target.
- A Meat Hook might allow Tidehunter to get a very ideal Ravage.
- The percentage-based primary-attribute reduction effect of Whirling Death can be devastating for Pudge due to his high strength gain through Flesh Heap.
- Reactive Armor's health regeneration and common itemization for magic resistance and durability make Timbersaw a poor target for Pudge.
- Timber Chain's high mobility makes Timbersaw difficult to lockdown for Pudge, given he only has one reliable disable.
- Venomancer forces Pudge between using his Pipe of Insight or Blade Mail or getting constantly slowed by his poison.
- Plague Wards used to scout out Pudge's location, putting his Blink Dagger and Tranquil Boots on cooldown and also harassing Pudge in lane which lacks of mobility and escape mechanisms.
- However, if you try to gank Venomancer it was caught by surprise.
- Shukuchi grants Weaver invisibility and a high degree of mobility for a short time, which can make Weaver a difficult target to hook.
- The Swarm with Desolator can remove Pudge little natural armor and makes it difficult to remove Weaver's bettle, due to his low base attack time and poor agility. Additionally, The Swarm can scout out Pudge's location.
- Given Pudge only has one reliable disable in Dismember, should Weaver survive, while Weaver uses Time Lapse (allies from upgraded Aghanim's Scepter), Pudge has no natural way to counter against mobile Weaver.
Others[edit]
- Pudge is strong versus heroes with low health, being able to kill them with a combo. On the other hand, tanky heroes are strong versus Pudge because they can survive and even turn the fight around.
- Pudge often doesn't rush Black King Bar, that makes him often vulnerable during Dismember against most of disables such as Nightmare, Hex, Shackles, Malefice, Light Strike Array, Lucent Beam, Ice Path, Ensnare, Adaptive Strike, Avalanche, Disruption, Echo Stomp, Burrowstrike, and many more.
- Heroes with many summons or illusions are much harder to catch with Meat Hook: Nature's Prophet, Phantom Lancer etc.
- Heroes with high degree of mobility and invisibility making hard to catch with Meat Hook: Ember Spirit, Riki, Clinkz, Queen of Pain etc.
- Anti-Tank heroes like: Razor, Necrophos, Undying etc.
- All of the Pudge abilities are very useful for Rubick's Spell Steal.
- Any heroes has Diffusal Blade or mana break talent is a big issue for Pudge because of his low mana pool.
Items[edit]
- Black King Bar will make the bearer immune to Pudge's magical damage. Keep in mind that Dismember stun pierces spell immunity, but does not deal any damage.
- Blink Dagger is not the best choice, but can be good to escape the area faster than Meat hook can reach.
- Lotus Orb and Linken's Sphere will deny Dismember.
- Force Staff will be seen used by players to escape Pudge Meat Hook, or, in worse conditions, escape Pudge himself after Dismember. It is also a great alternative for Blink Dagger due to increasing your mana, intelligence, and having a relatively cheaper price.
- Manta Style makes Meat Hook much harder to land because of illusions and invulnerability duration.
- Diffusal Blade will wear down Pudge's low mana pool.
- Glimmer Cape and Shadow Blade/ Silver Edge makes Meat Hook difficult because of this invisibility duration.
Good against...[edit]
- Pudge's high health pool will make him have possibilities of escaping Rupture.
- Meat Hook can cancel Freezing Field, even if Crystal Maiden has Glimmer Cape.
- Her already very low health makes her a lovely victim for ganking.
- Meat Hook can pull Drow Ranger to Pudge, disabling her Marksmanship.
- Following up with Dismember will prevent Drow Ranger from using Gust or Shadow Blade.
- Pudge can easily survive Luna's Lucent Beam and Eclipse, and his Meat Hook and Dismember can pierce Black King Bar, making Luna one of the perfect victims for ganking.
- However, Lucent Beam can cancel Dismember, as Pudge often doesn't build Black King Bar, and if she is farmed enough, Luna might be able to fight back against Pudge.
- Sniper has a low health pool and Strength gain. One of the best counters against Sniper because of this.
- An average Sniper player likes to stay in one, good position in a team fight. Pudge can with easliy hook him out.
- Assassinate won't do much damage because of his high strength gain thanks to Flesh Heap.
- Pudge's stunlock does not allow Spectre to escape with Haunt.
- He can easily tank the damage reflected by Dispersion due to his high strength and heal from Dismember.
- Should Spectre try to get away through the trees or over a cliff with Spectral Dagger, Pudge can hook her back.
- Pudge is the perfect hero for tanking mines, as Flesh Heap grants him lots of strength.
- Techies' good highground defense can be bypassed by Pudge hooking his enemies to the lowground from a long distance.
- Techies usually sit in the trees during the laning stage, setting up Proximity Mines, but Meat Hook can pull them out.
- Meat Hook can used to pull Tinker while he is hiding on trees, following up with Dismember and Rot for an easy solo kill, as Tinker doesn't tend to buy survivability items.
- Flesh Heap makes it hard for Tinker to deal serious damage.
- Zeus likes to stay far back in fights, dealing his damage uninterrupted, but once he gets hook into the fight, he usually dies very quickly.
- Pudge's high strength from Flesh Heap make it very hard for Zeus to burst him down.
- Zeus' low health pool makes him very vulnerable to the damage from Meat Hook, Rot and Dismember.
Others[edit]
- Heroes that have a channeled ability can be interrupted by Meat Hook: Pugna, Witch Doctor, Enigma, Bane.
- Nuker Heroes are mostly irrelevant against Pudge because of his innate magic resistance and huge health pool from Flesh Heap making less effective against him from mid to late game.
Works well with...[edit]
- Pudge can hook enemies into mines, which can guarantee a kill.
- Pugna can use Decrepify on an enemy, causing them to take extra damage from Rot and Dismember.
- The control provided by Rot + Dismember combo gives Pugna an easier time into casting Nether Blast and Life Drain on the hooked victim
- Astral Imprisonment can set up a hook, if timed correctly.
- Lifestealer can remain hidden inside Pudge using Infest, and can burst out when Pudge successfully hooks an enemy. He can then continue to do damage while Pudge disables his enemy using his ultimate.
- Lion can secure kills with Finger of Death.
- Earth Spike is a very good Meat Hook setup.
- Tiny and Pudge can make quite a deadly duo with Tiny able to use Toss to engage by tossing Pudge onto an enemy or toss a enemy onto Pudge so Pudge can get a Dismember off to keep them stunned long enough for the rest of the team or just Tiny to help secure the kill.
- Another good reason is if you really want is to get a bit tactical with Toss and Meat Hook by tossing pudge into a spot where he can get a good hook and maybe pull someone who is low to either their death or save them from certain doom.
Others[edit]
- Bane can use Nightmare on an enemy, setting up an easy Meat Hook for Pudge.
- Rubick can use Telekinesis on an enemy, giving Pudge enough time to hook during the lift duration.
